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potential transactions, they talked about that they have a great idea that   » Panelist  |  Simon Walley
 the originator loans, and then sells to the capital market by issuing the   Very little confidence. I think one of the useful roles the institutions
 RMBS. It is very sensitive issue, because the mortgage sales without risk   like Olivier's can play, or whether it's KHFC here or Cagamas in
 retention in the origination model was obviously the key driver for the   Malaysia, is to set standards. You want to standardize the mortgage
 global financial crisis.  products, have the same documentation, the same underwriting rules,
               which allows you to have collected data on a comparable basis and
 The second topic I'd like to share about China is the data transparency.   build it up. I think the other thing that we often struggle with is the pure
 Earlier, Matthias and Simon talked about the importance of data   mortgage data. You also need to understand the market you're in, so you
 transparency, although in different contexts. Matthias talked about it   need data on house price and housing production. These are often what
 in the affordable housing, while Simon talked about it in the housing   the countries struggle with, but without the data, it is very difficult for
 financing. I think the good thing about China is, for the mortgage   the ministries and the authorities to make good housing policy based   Session II
 originator to issue RMBS, those mortgage originators need to file the   on good judgments. We've seen in many countries, and Thailand can
 registration report to obtain an issuance quota from the regulators.   particularly be a good example. There's some delegates here. In Thailand,
 In those registration reports, they need to provide up to ten-years   they set up what we call a housing observatory. When we don't have the
 history data. As a rating analyst, I remember when I worked on the first   data, we're kind of making policy blindly. Let's see how we can collect it,
 Taiwanese RMBS transaction, later Hong Kong deals and earlier days the   where it's going to be the municipalities collecting housing production
 Korean transactions, obviously we need to get the originators-specific   data. Let's see what's the best way we can do to build a house price index.
 data one by one. It's hard to have a big picture on the overall industry;   In Thailand, I think they put up a big institution, which enabled them to
 the performance, the trend, not to mention the peer comparison. So, we   make the right decisions.
 had the privilege to get the confidential and non-material information
 from each originator. But again, it was quite different then. Now I work
 in China, before we are engaged to work on any transaction, I have like   » Panelist  |  Matthias C. Helble
 20 mortgage originators and all the top six mortgage originators in China   I'm a bit more optimistic about the data, because now we have lots
 they follow the RMBS registration report and they provided more than   of data on the internet. It's quite easy to download the information. For
 almost ten-years history data. So, before we talk with them, we rate the   example, at ADB last year, we downloaded 20,000 housing prices within
 RMBS transaction sponsored by the largest Chinese mortgage originator;   Manila. We also could locate the household exactly by the tree, because
 we already have a very deep understanding on them, their performance,   it was also available online. So, using these online platforms, we can
 with the peer comparison.  actually gather a lot of information. Of course, we have to be careful
               how to interpret it. This market might be catered to a certain group, but
               I think, for example, this Google Maps, which gives us data on traffic
 » Moderator  |  Henny Sender  flows or on restaurants, also can give us a very good idea of the actual
 Jerry, I'm going to stop you there for one minute to talk about data.   income of neighborhoods, which can help to assess certain risks or
 Then I'm going to ask you a question from the floor. Both of you have   profiles of certain groups. So, there's already a lot of data that can actually
 mentioned the importance of infrastructure and the importance of data.   be gathered at a relatively low cost.
 How confident are you that there is good information available in the
 markets that you have experiences of?




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